Subject: Viridian Note 00101: Design Undersides

Key concepts
Viridian table of contents, unmoderated mailing lists, disadvantages of wind power

Attention Conservation Notice: a lot of list housekeeping going on here. Contains a mild scolding for address poachers.

Viridian Individual Projects:

From^^^^^^^^^*? (Norbert Senf) "Just looking at an old project of mine, and realized that it is Viridian. So, of course, the Viridian thing to do was to recycle it into a Viridian Individual Project."

From^^^^^^^^^^^*? (Kirk Mcelhearn) "The little slogans you use at the bottom of your messages are real conversation-starters. I made up a collection of them in a web page. I will add to the page what others send me, and we can build a selection of bumper stickers."

Viridian T-shirts:

The Viridian Library:

(((bruces remarks: Enthusiasm for wind power should not blind one to the fact that windmills are machines, an energy infrastructure is a complex system, and that all designs necessarily have downsides for somebody somewhere sometime.)))

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, September 26, 1999

"Some Wisconsin Residents Oppose New Wind Turbines"

"GREGORVILLE, Wisconsin == Ken Loeber had no objections when he first heard about plans to build a wind farm near his home in Kewaunee County. The 51-year-old artist moved here in the early 1970s for the peace and quiet. When a utility started talking about the project, he had visions of watching state-of-the-art wind turbines silently making electricity in this breezy corridor south of Door County.

"'Now it's more like we are living in an industrial park,' Loeber said from the living room of his log cabin, a few hundred yards from the closest spinning turbine. 'It's so noisy that, some nights, we can't open our windows. But I think that now that they are up, they placed them far too close to people's homes.'

"Even though they don't belch smoke or pose the
potential danger of a nuclear power plant, Wisconsin wind farms are generating something else == local opposition. The tall towers, with their hypnotic, rotating blades, strike many as a cool way to make electricity. But some of the people who live nearby believe their quality of life is being buffeted by these new contraptions, which rise more than 30 stories to capture the best winds.

"Wisconsin Public Service and Madison Gas & Electric
have erected 31 turbines in the towns of Lincoln and Red River along an outcropping that produces the highest sustained winds in the state. The Danish-built machines represent the largest concentration of wind generation east of the Mississippi River.

"Those who are bugged by the projects say the turbines
are too loud, foul up TV reception and ruin the night sky with their flashing red lights. For some residents, when the sun hugs the horizon, the shadows from the twirling blades create a strobe-light effect that can turn a walk across the living room into a bad rock-concert experience.

"We were getting these shadows in the afternoon and
now, as the sun moves lower in the sky, we're getting them in the morning,' said Julie Thiry, who can see turbines from both her kitchen and her living room. 'It's terrible. You have to keep doing double takes.'

"Both Wisconsin Public Service and MG&E say they are
working to fix the problems. 'It's a big deal whenever someone is unhappy with what we do,' says Gregory Bollom, a market planner for the Madison utility. 'As elegant as some people think a wind turbine is, they are still a machine, and some people aren't going to like it.'"

(((bruces remarks: Now for another design issue, the downside of the Viridian Ranking System. As the Viridian list grows larger, it becomes more valuable in attention terms, so strangers are increasingly eager to exploit it. Such was the case recently when a list subscriber industriously removed all the anti-spam chevrons and stars from people's log-in addresses, and invited them to join an unmoderated pseudo-Viridian mailing list, run on

(((Unmoderated mailing lists are, of course,
profoundly anti-Viridian by their nature. Their design limitations necessarily makes them attention hogs of the first order. Some people trusting enough to respond to the friendly and cunningly worded invitation are now emitting screams of anguish directed at the Pope-Emperor. For instance:)))

From:^* (Bruce Biles)

Please!!!Help me get off this Viridian egroup list

Hey Bruce,
I really enjoy your Viridian newsletters. I like the movement.
I write you HORRIFIED by the INCREDIBLE amount of redundant email I get from having joined this e-group. Had I known what such a move entails I would've NEVER joined. Now I don't know how to stop them! I just spent an hour going through DOZENS of emails...some of them quite stupid...many of them just REDUNDANT. Please help me get away from these people. I have to go now as this public Library closes in 1 minute.
I really can't stand this Viridian SPAM.

(((For the record, you get off egroups lists by mailing For this pseudo-Viridian imposture, try viridian-d-unsubscribe-(your email address) Maybe that'll work. I'm praying for you.

(((Enthusiasm for the Viridian List should not blind one to the fact that we are still on the Internet. Yes, I can protect you from utter gibberish in the lists that I myself edit. But! If you trustingly wander into the Internet's outer darkness, it's at your own peril. I believe that the Viridian Ranking System gives us a refreshing sense of community solidarity, rewards creative effort, and adds to the value of list discussions. But there is a downside: people who glimpse your log-in name can tug your chain, if they're in the mood to try it. In case of future incidents, and there are likely to be some, keep in mind that "Viridian" traffic is never Viridian unless it comes directly from or

Viridian Notes 00001-00100

  1. Viridian Design Speech
00002: Viridian List Mechanics
00003: Viridian Design Principles
00004: Historical Awareness
00005: Viridian Aesthetics
00006: Floods 1
00007: Floods 2
00008: The Science Press on Global Warming
00009: The Science Press on Global Warming, Rewritten
00010: Comments from Viridians
00011: Viridian Mascot Contest
00012: Web Links
00013: Link Criticism
00014: Remembrance Agents
00015: Weather Violence
00016: Bio-Refineries
00017: Viridian Aphorisms
00018: The Viridian Model Family
00019: Viridian Domains of Interest
00020: Energy Reform, the Swedish "Solution"
00021: The World Is Becoming Uninsurable, Part 1
00022: The World Is Becoming Uninsurable, Part 2
00023: The World is Becoming Uninsurable, Part 3
00024: Kelly's Koan
00025: German Greens

00026: Viridian Aphorisms
00027: Viridian Graphics
00028: Viridian Gardening
00029: The Interfund
00030: The View From Ecotopia
00031: Self-destructive Jungles
00032: The Viridian Refueling Project
00033: Viridian Aesthetics: Andy Goldsworthy
00034: Researching Andy Goldsworthy
00035: Viridian Aesthetics: Landscape Transformation
00036: Offshore Wind Power
00037: Viridian Commentary
00038: Viridian Aphorisms
00039: Starck's New Catalog
00040: German Politics
00041: The Viridian Product Catalog
00042: the Viridian Alcohol Cellphone
00043: the Viridian Electrical Meter
00044: The Viridian Service Station
00045: Twentieth-century Thinking
00046: German Bankers Love German Greens
00047: Viridian Imaginary Products Exhibition
00048: Viridian Aphorisms
00049: Submerging Carbon
00050: Wired Urban Forests

00051: Viridian Commentary
00052: Human-Assisted Wildlife Migration
OOO53: The Ecosystem Game
OOO54: The Festo Stingray
OOO55: Biodiversity Maps
OOO56: Viridian Commentary
00057: Extinct Megafauna
00058: Grass Gas
00059: Viridian Aphorisms
00060: Viridian Strategy
00061: Web-site Power Banner Contest
00062: What I Did for Earth Day
00063: Real-World Projects
00064: Viridian Finances
00065: Burning Man Festival
00066: Freeplay's Wind-Up Power
00067: Eco-Disaster Tourism
00068: Household Localizers
00069: Viridian Aphorisms
00070: The Coal-Burning Net
00071: Greening the US Govt.
00072: Viridian Couture Contest
00073: Viridian Commentary
00074: Browning the US Govt.
00075: Kyoto Politics

00076: American Power Brokers
00077: IDSA Speech
00078: Greening Earth Society
00079: Virtuous Corporations
00080: Viridian Aphorisms
00081: Summer Health Warning Contest
00082: Viridian Commentary
00083: The Viridian Botanisphere
00084: Viridian Disasters
00085: Viridian Individual Projects
00086: Kingpins of Carbon
00087: The Coal-Burning Net
00088: Viridian Disasters
00089: The Viridian Military
00090: Design Principles for Virtual Worlds
00091: Viridian T-Shirt
00092: First Things First Manifesto
00093: The Deep Hot Biosphere
00094: Texas Energy Law
00095: Biotech Legal Liability
00096: 2000 Objects Exhibition
00097: Austin Software Speech
00098: The Net and the Weather
00099: Viridian Time and Light
00100: What Is To Be Done

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